Naples is a separate kingdom cause Ferdinand ii of Naples managed to live past 30 and have kids. And I think it was better from Miguel's perspective to get his sons dukedoms in two kingdoms so that their brother can have agents in both Castile, Aragon and Portugal.
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Miguel would be King of Spain, or of Aragon, Castile and Portugal NOT of Spain and Portugal as that definition make zero sense (as Miguel would be the first one to rule in personal union Castile and Aragon). Also Miguel is far likelier to marry Madeleine or Catherine of Navarre than Eleanor of Austria
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Duchess Elisabeth of Württemberg (b.1767-.1790) m Franz II, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1768-.?)
Joseph III, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1790-.?) m Caroline Augusta of Bavaria (b.1792-.?)
Franz Joseph I (b. 1811-.?) m Princess Mathilde Caroline of Bavaria (b.1813-.?) with issues
Franz Joseph (b.1830-.?) m Anna of Prussia (b.1836-?) in 1852 with issues
Maria Elisabeth (b.1833-.?)
Maria Caroline (b.1836-?)
Maria Valery (b. 1840-.?)
Maria Elisabeth (b.1814-.1834) m Maximilian II of Bavaria (b.1811-.?)
Ludwig II of Bavaria (b.1833-.?)
Maximilian, Archduke of Austria (b.1818-.?) Princess Januária of Brazil (b.1522-.?) with issues
Archduke Ferdinand of Austria (b.1840-.?)
Maria Leopaldine (b. 1842-?)
Maria Amelia (b.1845-.?)
Maria Anna (. 1822)
Maria Theresa (.1826)
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Charles IV (1421-1468) King of Navarre 1441, King of Aragon 1458 [1] m. a) Agnes of Cleves (1422-1448) b) Catherine of Portugal (1436-1463)
1a) Blanche (1440-1500) m. Afonso V (1432-1481) King of Portugal
2a) Eleanor (1442-1447)
3a) Agnes (1443-1469) a nun
4a) Joanna (1446-1499) m. Alfonso II (1448-1495) King of Naples
5a) John III (1448-1498) King of Aragon and Navarre 1468, King of Castile iure uxoris 1474, m. Isabella (1451-1504) Queen of Castile
6b) Charles (1453-1508) m. Mary (1457-1511) Duchess of Burgundy
7b) Alfonso (1455-1458)
8b) Ferdinand (1457-1488) Archbishop of Zaragoza
9b) Eleanor (1460)
[1] John of Aragon died before Blanche of Navarre ITTL. Charles inherited Navarre without problems.
1a) Blanche (1440-1500) m. Afonso V (1432-1481) King of Portugal
2a) Eleanor (1442-1447)
3a) Agnes (1443-1469) a nun
4a) Joanna (1446-1499) m. Alfonso II (1448-1495) King of Naples
5a) John III (1448-1498) King of Aragon and Navarre 1468, King of Castile iure uxoris 1474, m. Isabella (1451-1504) Queen of Castile
6b) Charles (1453-1508) m. Mary (1457-1511) Duchess of Burgundy
7b) Alfonso (1455-1458)
8b) Ferdinand (1457-1488) Archbishop of Zaragoza
9b) Eleanor (1460)
[1] John of Aragon died before Blanche of Navarre ITTL. Charles inherited Navarre without problems.
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the age difference is a bit too big according to me... She is born in 1528 while he is born in 1519.
I killed off Philip IV, Duke of Burgundy such that he never becomes Emperor. Charles's son becomes the first king Philip as I did not find any emperor named Philip before him.
Philip of Swabia, King of Germany, with the precedent set by Rudolf of Habsburg they’re counted when it comes to numbering Emperors. Though that’s not guaranteed to be the case in this ATL.
Though Philip of Swabia called himself Philip II, the first being Philip the Arab, so arguable he’d be Philip III.
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See, the thing with Maria is this: she seemed to never stop breeding and did, in fact, die of complications a few months after her last child was born, so killing her off a few years later in childbirth should be fine - it's just delaying the inevitable, basically.
The problem is who she was already at the age limite for pregnancies if we looked at the other women of her family so is unlikely who she would have more pregnancies, specially after 1518 (who is the year in which Catherine, three years and half younger than her, had her latest pregnancy) so birthing a kid three years after that is extremely unlikely
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No inbreeding for the children of Francis II butterflies Ferdinand's meekness and everything about the OTL Franz Joseph. Whether all this is enough to hold off the coming secular tide caused by Napoleon is another matter.
Perhaps, but it's not impossible. After all, we only have Catherine to go on since Joanna was widowed young, Isabel died, and Juan died young. They may have continued to breed into their 30s if they'd had the opportunity.
I was going through Wikipedia's list of Holy Roman Emperors and did not find anyone named Philip. And with the background Philip of Swabia comes in, I think he is more suited to be a contender than an actual emperor.
And as for regarding Philip the Arab, I think it is better classifying him as a Roman Emperor than a Holy Roman one. I might be wrong...
That’s your prerogative.
The Holy Roman Emperors saw no difference between the two .
A bride being 7 years older than the groom when there’s a younger option that is guaranteed to bring in Navarre is not going to happen.