While reading about the history of the Weimar Republic and the Hohenzollern Restoration of 1937, where the monarchy was restored by a 55-45 vote, I read about the obscure "National Socialist German Workers' Party" which was led by one Adolf Hitler and had some electoral success in the early 1930s before the government crackdown on them after some SA thugs tried to assassinate the President. So, what if said SA thugs didn't try to assassinate President Hindenburg and we got a Nazi takeover of Germany? What would a hypothetical Nazi Germany look like? Would we have gotten a pan-European Fascist bloc against the Soviets between Mussolini's Italy, Croixist France, and Nazi Germany? Or would a spat between the three major European fascist powers be the basis for this world's Second Great War instead of the "Latin Axis" and the "Little Entente" fighting against the Anglo-German-Soviet-Chinese "Grand Alliance"?
DBWI: Nazi takeover of Germany
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Did some research on this A Hitler. Apperently died of a drug overdose along with his lover/wife (the status isn't completely clear) in the early '40s in a Berlin flop house. With this unstable of a potential head of state things probably would not of boded well for Germany. His grandly titled biography "My Struggle" makes it clear that he would of started a war as weak as Germany was. Odds are the Czecks would kicked their collective butts
Or that the military would have overthrown him in a coup d'etat, for that matter.
So, what would the Second Great War's alliance systems look like if the Nazis had taken over Germany?
Mind you, the only reason why Hitler lived until the early 1940's was that Reinhard Heydrich and Heinrich Himmler got the people to blame Ernst Roehm, who of course was tried and executed for his crimes (though we know now he really was in on the plot to assassinate President Hindenberg, despite what some historians claim). If I remember it, Heydrich ended up heading the unified German national police force by the middle 1940's, and Himmler went back to the other thing he loved--agriculture. That's why the big agricultural estate southeast of Munich is still owned by Himmler's descendants.
Yea, I read that timeline where instead of the relatively moderate rule of Nikolai Bukharin, we get a totalitarian dictatorship which is essentially a left-wing version of the Third French Empire.
Uh, I think they were talking about the other georgia, the one that's part of Transcaucasia.
From what I hear, Hitler wanted an ally in the east, but he had no options. With the eventual triumph of Chiang Kai Sheks civic nationalists against the invading Imperial Japanese in 1939, they were who were firmly in the Democratic camp, as the US and the English funded the Chinese and helped them crack down on corruption in the KMT. By the time the second Great War happened, China had joined the Anglo-German-Soviet alliance.
By the way, Heinrich Himmler (1900-1987) is today best known for developing strains of hops for the amber-colored lagers sold by Augusteiner and Paulaner, the #1 and #2 breweries in Munich. He also wrote a book on growing herbs that is recognized worldwide as a reference work on the subject. In his autobiography, he described his time in the Nazi Party as the "days of misspent youth and early adulthood."
While that might be the case, he was well-known for supporting right-wing political parties all his life, right? Also, what do you think of that timeline where Joseph Stalin instead of Nikolai Bukharin became the leader of the Soviet Union?
Well, Himmler wasn't to hard-right later in his life, especially when his fame as an agricultural pioneer became well-known. As for Stalin, other Communist Party leaders thought he had too much of a temper, and was quietly "eased out" of the Party not only by Bukharin, but by another famous Politburo member: Sergey Kirov. Stalin was interestingly not executed because the last thing the Communist Party wanted was a martyr.
The Nazis were a bunch of dumbass thugs. No way the old aristocracy and military bows to some Austrian rabble rouser or whoever their leader is.
A hypothetical Nazi regime probably wouldn't last long. Adolf Hitler was apparently very aggressive in his foreign aims if he ever came to power. Most likely would've sparked another European war against France that would be reminiscent of the Great War's western front only with deadlier weapons and probably wouldn't last as long. Probably the Anglo-French-German War and the splitting of Germany into several states to prevent it from ever becoming a military threat.
What about if Ludendorff and/or Goering stayed with the Nazis as opposed to joining the DNVP?
Maybe they could be a small party in a nationalist coalition force but the aristocracy and military elite were too clever to let him consolidate.
1. The National Socialist (Nazi) Party may have come to power if Hitler never came close to its leadership. But if it did form a government, no doubt Himmler would have been Agriculture Minister.
2. There were some rumors that Roehm was attracted to young boys or was gay, and that the Nazi inner circle knew about it. Thus, they framed Roehm to get rid of him.
2. There were some rumors that Roehm was attracted to young boys or was gay, and that the Nazi inner circle knew about it. Thus, they framed Roehm to get rid of him.
So, if they took power, it would be more likely that someone like Goering (who was a WW1 war hero as an air ace) would have been it's leader?
James G
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Okay, so I looked up on the interweb this Hitler guy properly. I know now that he was an Austrian not an Australian. Silly me. Oh and that that Stalin chap came from the Kingdom of Georgia (as it is now) not the state of Georgia in the United States of North America. Silly me.
Hitler looks like a military genius from my research. Golly gosh, damn them foolish Germans. He would have given them a Third Reich if they'd only listened to him and not framed him for that murder.
I'll write a TL on it but, spoilers aside, Hitler will win!
Hitler looks like a military genius from my research. Golly gosh, damn them foolish Germans. He would have given them a Third Reich if they'd only listened to him and not framed him for that murder.
I'll write a TL on it but, spoilers aside, Hitler will win!