Fatboy Coxy

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With regard to SOE ops in the Far East there was two other units besides Mission 204. These was Force 136 which started out as India Mission with the cover name of GSI (k) The other was in china and went by the name of British Army Aid Group (BAAG). This was officially part of MI9 (Support to POW's) It had British and Indian expats who had spent in some cases considerable time in Hong Kong and as such were fluent in Cantonise and to a less extent in Mandarin. They provided medical aid to Chinese military and civilians and on the side they ran ops to support ops behind Japanese lines. They knew how to work with the Chinese and could get things done quickly and quietly without ruffling feathers as was sometime the cases when officials from Foreign Office or the War Office were involved. They were rumoured to have run an operation out of the Portuguese colony of Macau. The Japanese did not occupy Macau during WW2 they allowed the Portuguese to continue running it as before. They instructed by the Japanese to restrict British and other foreign nationals from entering Macau. But the Portuguese authorities only payed lip service to this and a few thousand foreign nationals were given refuge by them.
Thank you JIM

Although Force 136 was formed in India, I'm not aware of any of its activities at that time, although its focus at that time was on India's North Western borders. Later with the fall of Singapore, it came into play in South East Asia. I can leave this as was historically, and ignore it for now. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_136

BAAG, was more of an ad hoc affair raised in need as Hong Kong fell. This will get a mention, as Hong Kong becomes embroiled in the war to come, again, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Army_Aid_Group

However, if the British are able to stop the initial Japanese assaults, then the Oriental Mission will be active, and I'll have to write some stories on this. Ideas on what they might get up to in Thailand are welcomed, along with how they get there, ie submarine, parachute, hike through jungle, or already embedded.
 

Fatboy Coxy

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The Swordfish weighed 1,903 kg empty; the Buffalo was only 2,146 kg. The Hurricane weighed 2,606 kg, but I don't know if Hermes ever operated Sea Hurricanes. The Roc weighed 2,776 kg!
Thank you Anarch King of Dipsodes, I'll comment on this, although I may well regret mentioning the Buffalo again

Yes I have that weight for the Swordfish, and one you didn't mention, but is being used, hopefully with radar, is the Albacore, five of which are in Singapore. (I have no idea of when these were delivered to Singapore, they were meant as FAA Fleet replacements, but once the shooting started, were taken out of storage and given to the RAF to help replace lost Vildebeest aircraft of Squadrons 36 and 100.) Albacore weighted a hefty 7,250 lb (3,289 kg) (torpedo bomber) or more, not sure how much a radar would add to this.

Now onto the Buffalo, the weight you've quoted is the USN F2A-3. The RAF ordered 170 of the B-339E export version, or Brewster Buffalo Mk I, with a different engine, rated at 1,000 hp, as opposed to the 1,200 hp in the original, and in their wisdom, the RAF decided to add a British Mk III reflector gun sight, a gun camera, a larger fixed pneumatic tire tail wheel, fire extinguisher, engine shutters, a larger battery, and reinforced armour plating and armoured glass behind the canopy windshield. so heavier and less powerful. Oh and I've compounded that with re-installing the life raft and arrestor hook for these FAA aircraft. Once their up there, with a height advantage, they'll do ok, otherwise, I'm not too hopeful. Their going to need a lot of Hermes flight deck taking of I think, and landing might be with bit more of a bang. Having said that, looking at the Albacore, I wonder what her landing will be like.
 
Thank you JIM

Although Force 136 was formed in India, I'm not aware of any of its activities at that time, although its focus at that time was on India's North Western borders. Later with the fall of Singapore, it came into play in South East Asia. I can leave this as was historically, and ignore it for now. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_136

BAAG, was more of an ad hoc affair raised in need as Hong Kong fell. This will get a mention, as Hong Kong becomes embroiled in the war to come, again, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Army_Aid_Group

However, if the British are able to stop the initial Japanese assaults, then the Oriental Mission will be active, and I'll have to write some stories on this. Ideas on what they might get up to in Thailand are welcomed, along with how they get there, ie submarine, parachute, hike through jungle, or already embedded.
There is the Free Thai Movement. That was primarily formed from Thai student in the US but there was a component from the UK most noticeably Queen Rambai Barni, the widow of King Prajadhipok and nominal head of the Seri Thai in the United Kingdom.
 

Fatboy Coxy

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There is the Free Thai Movement. That was primarily formed from Thai student in the US but there was a component from the UK most noticeably Queen Rambai Barni, the widow of King Prajadhipok and nominal head of the Seri Thai in the United Kingdom.
Hi JIM, yes got this, didnt think the Queen was much of a factor. There is of course Sir Josiah Crosby, now he is a real factor!
 
MWI 41071513 India The Provider

Fatboy Coxy

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1941, Tuesday 15 July;

Wavell took his glasses off, and cleaned them with his handkerchief, giving himself a break, a moment to pause for thought, while working through the endless paperwork. If they thought moving him from the Middle East Command to India Command was going to give him a rest, then they’d been much mistaken. Despite Auchinleck’s good work, India Command had been drained of her best units, now in North Africa, East Africa, Iraq, Malaya and Burma, and with an occupation of Persia looking more and more likely, yet more would go. In addition, the Indian Government had increased the numbers of new units it would raise for the defence of the Empire.

Back in May 1940, they had agreed to raise the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th Infantry, along with the 31st Armoured, Divisions. These were joining the 4th and 5th, both of which had already been in action in Africa. Other than the 7th, all other units were already earmarked for overseas deployment or already gone. A further Division, the 11th had been raised in Malaya, by upgrading an area command to divisional status. The only other exception was the 31st Armoured Division, who had lost their best unit, the 3rd Motor Brigade to North Africa, while raising the two armoured brigades was proving problematic to say the least.

Then, this March, they had agreed to raising five more additional Infantry Divisions, namely the 14th, 17th, 19th, 20th, 34th and the two Armoured Formations 32nd Armoured Division and 50th Tank Brigade. While this was all well and good on paper, the massive expansion of units was a headache of the first degree. It could only be done by milking existing units of sizeable cadres of experience officers and men, around which new units could be built on. The acceleration of promotions for both officers and NCOs, was, at times breath taking, often moving up two, even three ranks inside of a year. There was a need for very large numbers of junior British officers to transfer to the British Indian Army to lead the new platoons and companies that made up these units. The attraction of more pay was countered by the requirement to learn Urdu, the lingua franca of the army. However, the need for more ECO’s (emergency commissioned officers) was eased somewhat by a steady increasing Indianisation of the army, with more units being officered by Indians.

The bottom line was, although he might be able to fill a new unit out with the numbers of men required, the unit’s effectiveness was, in most cases, very poor. In addition, existing units, having been heavily milked and then backfilled with raw recruits, saw their effectiveness drop alarmingly. Then you looked at the equipment, and although India could feed and clothe them, arming them was another matter, with automatic weapons, antitank guns, mortars, artillery and vehicles all in short supply and most having to be imported from Britain or North America.

As if this wasn’t enough work for him, he also had responsibility for the defence of Burma to contend with as well, which was another sorry tale. Auchinleck had been given the responsibility of Burma’s defence back in January, but hadn’t been able to do much. Although there were a considerable number of Burmese infantry battalions available on paper, quite what they were like in the field was another matter, most being just about able to undertake basic internal security roles, in any possibility of contact with an armed and trained opponent, they would probably fall apart. Again, the well-worn cry ‘we need more time to train’ was to be heard, but frankly they needed more than that, lacking many supporting units, and bereft of artillery, armoured vehicles and aircraft.

Yesterday he had made a start to improving Burma’s defence with the formation of the 1st Burma Infantry Division, under the command of newly promoted Maj Gen James Bruce Scott, coming from the 1st Burma Infantry Bde, one of its components, along with the 2nd Burma Infantry Bde, and the 13th Indian Infantry Bde, a transfer from the 7th Indian Division, to round out the division. The Burmese battalions were scattered, deployed in internal security roles, while the Indian battalions, had recently been heavily ‘milked’. He also had thoughts about replacing the GOC Burma, Maj Gen Donald McLeod, who, although a nice old gentleman, lacked the necessary drive to improve things fast enough, but he didn’t have a ready replacement.

There was good news about RAF 221 Group, which had commanded over all Burma, a newly raised fighter squadron RAF 67, equipped with Brewster Buffalos was being transferred from Singapore, joining RAF 60 Sqn, equipped with Blenheim’s as their main units. And on that point, he was being told more Buffalos would be coming, enough to equip two fighter squadrons for Indian home defence. Secondly, a radar unit, 517 COL had also arrived in May, and was being installed in Rangoon University’s grounds.

Yes, reflected Wavell, I must visit Burma soon, and reacquaint myself with what’s going on there, and he called an orderly in, to begin planning a tour, when things had hopefully calmed down here a bit.
 
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In terms of disrupting the Japanese, logistics is the key. While they can a will live off the land so to say, taking rice from the local sources, they also have the largest fishing fleet in Asia at this time. This provided fish, which they tinned and shipped to their troops. They also were not so reliant on motorised transport as say the British. They used their own troops, bicycles, local porter (Pressed in most cases) horses, oxen and river craft. this gives them some advantages, they are not reliant on metaled roads, or the supply of petrol. Their bulk transport means is principle by ships and then train. So mining harbours, and sinking their merchants ship would hurt. They never really used convoys with warship escorts as this was seen by the IJN as below them. The Thai Southern Railway is a single meter gauge line running close to the coast for good part of its way down towards the Malay boarder, where it branches to cross in to Malays at two points one on the western side and one on the eastern. Almost as if pre planed to support a thrusts down each coast.
 
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MWI 41071616 Canadian Military Pattern Trucks

Fatboy Coxy

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1941, Wednesday 16 July;

The rusty old tramp steamer crept into Keppel Harbour, a pilot aboard, guiding her to an empty quayside berth. A large area of flat land, part concreted, part compacted gravel lay behind it, purposely cleared for the steamer’s arrival. Four RASC recovery trucks, two light, two heavies, awaited its arrival. This was the third time the steamer had made this trip, Vancouver to Singapore, but the cargo carried was changing, less steel and other building materials, more machined equipment, but even more so, vehicles. Indeed, the ship had been loaded with vehicles, and when no more could be loaded, filled with the smaller packing cases and boxes that helped make up her load.

Back in 1937, with war clouds beginning to gather over Europe, there had been discussions between the British War Office and the Canadian Army regarding Canadian production of military vehicles. It was assumed that Canadian forces would be integrated with British units, and so Canadian-manufactured equipment would need to be compatible with British standards and specifications, as well as being right hand drive. This would provide a great deal of commonality among vehicles of the same class but different manufactures, and well as between different size vehicles.

They had started with building a 15-cwt vehicle similar to the British, Morris C8 artillery tractor, both by Ford Motor Company of Canada and General Motors of Canada, using a standardized cab, but providing their own engines. Quickly other sized vehicles were produced, mostly 4-wheel drive, 8-cwt, 15-cwt, 30-cwt, and 3 ton, as well as a larger, medium artillery tractor, concluding with no less than ninety types on twelve different chassis, including wireless truck, ambulance, field workshop, etc, as well as general cargo and troop-carrying versions. Chrysler, another American company with car plants in Canada, was brought into the fold, mostly producing Dodge 3-ton trucks, which, by now, were called CMP, Canadian Military Pattern, along with the rest of the vehicles.

By the end of World War Two, Canada had produced around 850,000 vehicles, more than 800,000 trucks by the big three, Ford, General Motors and Chrysler of Canada, a total that surpassed the total production of trucks by Germany, Italy and Japan combined. These vehicles motorised the allied forces in North Africa, and later Italy, as well as Malaya and Burma, Australia, the liberation of North Western Europe, and under lend lease, the Soviet Union.

Strategically, it meant Britain could concentrate more on aircraft and tank production, although she still produced soft skinned military vehicles. But the difference for Malaya, before the war with Japan, was a ship leaving Vancouver had only 8,000 odd miles to sail, as opposed to over 13,500 from St Johns, Newfoundland, and two thirds of that in convoy, making a single ship roughly twice as efficient, by taking the Pacific route! And so, a steadily increasing number of CMP vehicles began to arrive, equipping British, Indian, Australian and locally raised units, as well as support units, the RAF and Royal Navy, while Britain reduced her supply to only a few specialist vehicles.
 
In terms of disrupting the Japanese, logistics is the key. While they can a will live off the land so to say, taking rice from the local sources, they also have the largest fishing fleet in Asia at this time. This provided fish, which they tinned and shipped to their troops. They also were not so reliant on motorised transport as say the British. They used their own troops, bicycles, local porter (Pressed in most cases) horses, oxen and river craft. this gives them some advantages, they are not reliant on metaled roads, or the supply of petrol. Their bulk transport means is principle by ships and then train. So mining harbours, and sinking their merchants ship would hurt. They never really used convoys with warship escorts as this was seen by the IJN as below them. The Thai Southern Railway is a single meter gauge line running close to the coast for good part of its way down towards the Malay boarder, where it branches to cross in to Malays at two points one on the western side and one on the eastern. Almost as if pre planed to support a thrusts down each coast.
One thing to plan, on outbreak of war, Commando style raids to take out sections of those railways, and if possible bridges, buying time. Another thing, which will not endear the British to the natives, is when units withdraw, kill all the large livestock, Oxen, Water Buffalo, etc. Eliminates them as both beasts of burden and food.
 
Canadian-manufactured equipment would need to be compatible with British standards and specifications, as well as being right hand drive.
That would be awkward for any use inside Canada; also for deployment with US forces (which might seem a long shot in the 1930s, but should have been considered), and for use in continental Europe, i.e. France.
 
Another thing, which will not endear the British to the natives, is when units withdraw, kill all the large livestock, Oxen, Water Buffalo, etc. Eliminates them as both beasts of burden and food.
Buy them first. Plan for this; have someone monitoring prices, and pay 50% above market.

BTW, be prepared to do the same thing with any kind of watercraft on the west coast, all of which should be destroyed or moved to Penang or Sumatra.
 
That would be awkward for any use inside Canada; also for deployment with US forces (which might seem a long shot in the 1930s, but should have been considered), and for use in continental Europe, i.e. France.
they were not planned for use in Canada except by those units getting ready to go to Europe. Even then right hand drive is not that bad because you are talking about vehicles that are not being used at high speed. In the US lots of US Mail vehicles are right hand drive including some of the Rural route ones bought by there drivers. Suburu used to import models from Japan to sell just to that niche market.
 

Fatboy Coxy

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One thing to plan, on outbreak of war, Commando style raids to take out sections of those railways, and if possible bridges, buying time. Another thing, which will not endear the British to the natives, is when units withdraw, kill all the large livestock, Oxen, Water Buffalo, etc. Eliminates them as both beasts of burden and food.
Hmmm, that smacks of a 'Scorched Earth' policy, which is fine on one hand but as you say doesn't endear the British rulers to the local populace. Historically, Percival was encouraged to undertake this during the retreat down the Malay peninsula, and certainly did try in respect of military stores, bridges, trains and rolling stock etc, although efforts were very hit and miss, actually, on the ground, with some spectacular failures. However, I'm not aware of any attempt to deprive the local populous, who were citizens of the British Empire of their rice supplies, and livestock. It would be bad enough to abandon them to the advancing Japanese, but to force starvation onto them would make them unlikely to welcome back an advancing victorious British Army.

I know that isn't quite what your suggesting, your take is more depriving the Japanese of means of transportation, but its effect would seem the same to the populous. A strategy of staggered retreat, denying the enemy of useful supplies, is what Percival wanted to do, but the retreat was in haste, effective plans to carry out the destruction were not in place, little thought had been given to it, and quite often panic among local officials, both military and civilian, meant responsibilities weren't met.

I like the idea of attacking the enemy controlled railway network with commando type troops, but to take down a , say two span metal bridge takes a bit of explosive, which suggests to me the team sent to do it has to be in double figures to carry all that explosive. I need to do more research on this, not so much the successful outcome of such like missions, but the logistics behind it to mount them. Again any ideas, and pointers welcome.
 
MWI 41071811 Knights Of The Rail

Fatboy Coxy

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1941, Friday 18 July;

Kuala Lumpur, and Lord Gort, Governor Caldecott and FMSR General Manager Leslie Smart are at the Sentul FMSR workshops to see the first of the two armoured trains that were ordered, roll out completed. They walk around the train, the workshop superintendent leading them, as he details its makeup.

“The engines are the last two G class 4-6-0 steam locomotives we have left running, they first have a flatbed, with cow catcher on front, weighted down with bagged rock ballast, second comes a cut down open wagon, with a Vickers machine gun, then another taller open wagon, with a 6 pounder 6 cwt Hotchkiss Mk I gun inside, then another open wagon with a single Vickers 2 pounder Mk II Pom-Pom AA gun and then the locomotive and tender, two coaches, followed by an open wagon with a second Vickers 2 pounder Mk II Pom-Pom AA gun, and lastly another cut down open wagon, with a Vickers machine gun. All are protected by armour plate on the sides, and to some degree, above. The armour plate used will stop rifle and machine gun fire, shell splinters and grenades. They have a train and gun crew complement of 31, not counting any troops or engineers they might carry.”

Caldecott looked at Gort, “What do you think Tiger, will it do?”

“It does look extremely well-constructed Andrew, Geoffrey came good with the guns like he said he would, they could do some frightful damage in the right hands. Leslie, your railway workshops are to be congratulated, and all done in time”.

Gort stood tall, hands behind his back, and flexed himself up and down on tiptoe and declared, “What you say if we call this one Lancelot, Andrew, the Middlesex Regiment will crew her, and the other one Galahad which the Manchester Regiment will crew. We can have a bit of a rivalry, our knights of the rails! So, a couple of months or so of training with them and we’ll deploy them. Lancelot will be based at Alor Star, Kedah, and Galahad at Kuala Krai, Kelantan”.

“That’s very romanticised Tiger, I never had you down for that sort of a fellow. But I do like the sound of that, yes by all means, Lancelot and Galahad, that would be wonderful. How about we have a little naming ceremony, bottle of champagne smashed over the boiler. Perhaps your wife, Leslie, could name this one, and the superintendent’s wife, the second one”.

“Thank you, your Excellency, that would be the most wonderful news to our wives. Err, Lord Gort, if I might trouble you Sir, for a moment, about the idea of a special reinforced flatbed you expressed an interest in after a General Council meeting at the beginning of the month. I had a chat with a couple of our engineers, and we have a rough mock up put together in the next shed, if you’d care to view it. The bed is the widest we dare build, accounting for bridge and tunnel restrictions, and we’ve stretched the carriage, adding an extra set of bogie wheels on either end, but she can carry 18 tons”.

“Excellent Leslie, yes let’s do that. Come on Andrew old boy, let’s go see my next toy, and afterwards let me treat you to lunch, this has been a splendid morning”
 

Fatboy Coxy

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Thought I'd have a bit of fun playing around with an armoured train or two, although these are nothing like the kind of armoured trains the Soviets had, more a continuation of what they did in South Africa during the Boer War, and an upscaled version of the train used by Kenneth More in the film North West Frontier, with the machine guns mounted fore and aft of the train. (can I do that, use Naval terms for a train?)
 
They would also be restricted by the fact that in both Malaya and Thailand the track gauge is only 3 ft 3 + 3/8 inch (1.0metres) This limits the usable width of the train. As a small side note regarding the engine class used. From 1907 the main engines were the Class H. These were very successful and FMSR continued to order locomotives in the same 4-6-2 wheel arrangement, albeit with significant design improvements being incorporated into each successive batch. Each major design upgrade resulted in a completely new class of locomotive until finally - in 1938 - Malaya's ultimate steam locomotive type, the Class O
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They would also be restricted by the fact that in both Malaya and Thailand the track gauge is only 3 ft 3 + 3/8 inch (1.0metres) This limits the usable width of the train.
Unless you're trying to get round tight curves, what matters here is not the track gauge but the loading gauge (i.e. how much space has been allowed around the track) and a quick Google suggests that the Malayan loading gauge was only 6 inches narrower than the standard English one. Given that they're re-purposing existing rolling stock, they should be fine.

Thank-you for the picture. @Fatboy Coxy & @JIM , congratulations on getting train porn into this already excellent TL.
 

Fatboy Coxy

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The two G class steam trains used are from the few left in service, the majority of this class have already been retired.

FMSR Class G

Designated as FMSR numbers 36 and 69, the FMSR Class G was introduced in July 1901 with a starting fleet of 21 locomotives from both the Perak Railway and the Selangor Railway, followed by two from the Malacca Railway in 1905 and an additional 11 orders directed to the FMSR between 1903 and 1905, bringing a total of 34 locomotives. The Class G was thus the largest FMSR fleet to include locomotives absorbed from state railways following the formation of the FMSR.

While the Class Gs were largely similarly built 4-6-0 locomotives with six-wheel tenders; all 34 of them were manufactured by four separate locomotive companies between 1898 and 1905. 16 were from Kitson, 9 were from Hunslet, three were from Robert Stephenson & Company, and two were from Neilson, Reid & Company.

The Class G was largely retired between 1928 in 1938. The last two Class Gs were withdrawn from service in July 1947.

Taken from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federated_Malay_States_Railways

There's also a nice page on them here, http://searail.malayanrailways.com/Classes/G.htm
 
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